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Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:09:00 -
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Just one more related thought. If the idea is to remove tiers altogether, are you going to be doing anything to change the mineral requirements needed to manufacture each ship ?
If you do, then there are going to be all sorts of ripple effects on the market.
If you don't, then you are going to create things that are very overpowered relative to their price (Tormentor as a kiting Punisher at a 1/5th to less of the price). |
Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:16:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Instead of frigate categories that are imposed across all four empires, I like the emergent idea of frigates as the smallest expression of a design philosophy that spans every size of ship up to battleships, and maybe beyond. For example, the Tormentor as a mini-Apocalypse, or the Navitas as the tiniest Dominix.
Just to re-iterate my point; one big problem with this (and getting rid of tiers more generally) which I have yet to see addressed anywhere are the cost differentials that currently exist between the tiers vs what the capabilities of the hulls will be post balancing.
A navitas is cheaper than the tristan because it requires far less minerals to make, if you make it too capable and keep mineral mixes as they are then you start to undermine the usefulness of the currently higher tiered ships like the Incursus and Tristan. The navitas currently costs 1/4th of the cost of the incursus or 1/5th of the cost of the tristan to build, so how useful do you think it should be? This issue is more pronounced in some ship lines and classes than others.
The margins on T1 ships are very low because it's a relatively easy thing to start manufacturing them, so market prices will still stay in step with each other.
The alternative is to start to balance out the base costs (and mineral requirements) to match the new capabilities - which will cause all sorts of knock on problems.
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Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:16:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:
The Navitas is currently 1/4 to 1/5 the price of a Tristan because it's worth about 1/4 as much. Bump it up, which tiericide will accomplish, and I imagine the price will go up, too. As long as CCP eliminates the effects of tiers across the board--in terms of mineral and manufacturing cost as well as fitting capability--this should take care of itself.
Well, it currently takes about 1/4 to 1/5 to actually build (they sometimes sell well below cost because they are handed out by the various starter missions).
Changing mineral cost isn't a trivial thing - it's going to cause massive inflation of mineral supply in the market (think of all those navitas hulls that can be reprocessed). In fact, if you were speculating and assumed that this is what CCP would do, the best thing you could do is build tier1 frigates now, in the knowledge that you can reprocess them for more later on. |
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